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Okay, just to check, is there a way to tell it to use eager (or eager threshold), or does MPICH just make that decision?</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Thakur, Rajeev <thakur@anl.gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 29, 2021 11:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hudson, Stephen Tobias P <shudson@anl.gov>; discuss@mpich.org <discuss@mpich.org><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">It shouldn’t matter whether it is eager or rendezvous. The envelope in the rendezvous contains the message matching information. Iprobe will initiate progress, so the next call to Iprobe
should find a message if there is one.</span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Thakur, Rajeev" <thakur@anl.gov>, "discuss@mpich.org" <discuss@mpich.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [mpich-discuss] Iprobe does not find all messages.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks Rajeev, is this going to be using rendezvous protocol, in which case the receiver has to receive an envelope and ping back. In that case, it may make sense to me? Does mpich have a way
of controlling message sizes for eager/rendezvous as intel MPI does? I havn't found any environment variables.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Thakur, Rajeev <thakur@anl.gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 28, 2021 9:13 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpich-discuss] Iprobe does not find all messages.</span> </p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande",sans-serif">I guess the reason is that iprobe does not find a message until some MPI function causes progress on the communication. Just a delay will not cause progress.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">"Hudson, Stephen Tobias P via discuss" <discuss@mpich.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"discuss@mpich.org" <discuss@mpich.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 28, 2021 at 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"discuss@mpich.org" <discuss@mpich.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Hudson, Stephen Tobias P" <shudson@anl.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[mpich-discuss] Iprobe does not find all messages.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Hi, </span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">TLDR: Why does iprobe not pick up messages that should be there?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">In this use-case, a manager is calling iprobe (via mpi4py) to look for messages received from various workers.
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">In the receive function (1.), there is a loop over workers doing an iprobe for each worker, and only if it loops round them all receiving nothing does it come out. Each worker may have sent
several messages.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">loop:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> 1. receive_func (loop over all workers doing iprobe - until none have anything)</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> 2. do some other stuff.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">(actual code: https://github.com/Libensemble/libensemble/blob/main/libensemble/manager.py#L346)</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The workers are sending with isend, and I know they have passed the isend call for all the required messages. Manager side, the iprobe loop does not necessarily pick up all messages in one
call to receive_func (but if I replace each iprobe call with its own loop of several iprobes it does).</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">In my code, the iprobe is part of a loop which may occasionally spend some time in another function (2.), so I want to better understand why it may not pick up all the messages. Even if I put
a delay of a few seconds in (2), it still has cycles that do not pick up the messages - as though a certain number of iprobes are required.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">In particular, I want to understand whether the messages are present on the receiving end, maybe in the unexpected message buffer, but may not get picked up by the iprobe?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Or is there some delay on the sending end (I know from timing the code has passed the isend for all messages).</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Also, as adding several iprobes (in their own sub-loop) always finds the messages, if the delay is not receiver side, then it must be doing some handshake?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I have seen answers online, which suggest that this is expected behavior, but I wonder if there is a fairly simple explanation as to why iprobe does not pick everything up? If its too complicated,
then okay.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I am running on a Ubuntu laptop with $ mpirun --version</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">HYDRA build details:</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"> Version: 3.2.1</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks,</span></p>
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