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as less latency than 4KB.

I was looking for explanation of this behavior  but did not get any.


  1.  MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?


Setup I am using:

- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb

- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp

- 1gb Ethernet connection

- NFS is using for sharing

- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv

- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)


Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.




Best Regards,

Abu Naser

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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hello Min,</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Thanks for the clarification.&nbs=
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<p>Thanks.</p>
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=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Min Si <msi at anl.=
gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:39:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> discuss at mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color:#FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
 in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12:14, Abu Naser wrote:<br>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Hello Jeff,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Yes, I am using a switch and oth=
er machines are also connected with that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">If I remove other machines and j=
ust use my two node with the switch, then will it improve the performance b=
y 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Meanwhile I will give a try with=
 a single dedicated cable.
<span></span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Thank you.<br>
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ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
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span>
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etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:52:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is the ethernet connection a single dedicated cable betwee=
n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
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<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
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<div>Jeff</div>
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<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Abu Naser <=
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Good day to all,</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I had run point to point osu_lat=
ency test in two nodes for 200 times.  Followings are the average time=
 in microsecond for various size of the messages -</p>
<div>1KB    84.8514 us<br>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(255,0,0)">2KB    73.52535</span> us=
<br>
4KB    272.55275 us<br>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(255,0,0)">8KB    234.86385</span> u=
s<br>
16KB    288.88 us<br>
32KB    523.3725 us<br>
64KB    910.4025 us</div>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">From the above looks like, 2KB m=
essage has less latency than 1 KB and 8KB has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I was looking for explanation of=
 this behavior  but did not get any.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-bottom:0px; margin-top:0px">
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
 any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
 64KB)? If yes then what are the
 boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Setup I am using:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- two nodes has intel core i7, o=
ne with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- mpich 3.2.1, configured and bu=
ild to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send an=
d MPI_Recv</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_=
MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D
<span>131072</span> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
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<p style=3D"margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Can anyone help me on that? Than=
ks in advance.<br>
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